[scooby&thesig]

Yeah, everyone will most likely hear about the whole "n" word being yelled yada yada yada.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100321/ap_ ... aucous_day

But what you probably won't hear or see is that this story is total b.s
Here is a vid proving that it NEVER happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCs6pSE ... r_embedded

I hope they find the person on people that created this story and expose him/them. They obviously want some type of violence to happen. Hopefully people have a brain to not comment or act on something that there is absolutely no proof of. But who am I kidding, there are those that will see what they want. One would think that there would be more of a reaction if the "n" word was "chanted" 15 times, and that one of the caucus guys would be smiling (in my mind he's thinking of their plan working). Crazy times, crazy times.

 

[ftboomer1]

Their quote lines sound rather like a rehersed sound bite made to throw the ignorant into a lather.


Thank God for modern media where anyone with a camera phone can refute the official story. It make you wonder how much of the video protests of earlier generations were real or a staged, limited event made for the TV news audience.

 

[ptco911]

The Democrats have infiltrated the Tea Party and will do so on a larger scale as we get closer to the November elections. They will try anyting to discredit the movement. The biggest tool they use is the "race" card.

 

[scooby&thesig]

We need to start emailing the link of the video to cnn, abc, nbc, fox etc. I did it over and over again because this lie is extremely dangerous. All it would take is a internet search, but these news places still have not corrected this crap.

 

[1stGenerationAmerican]

It's interesting that every major news group has yet to show any of the accusations caught on tape. They are only repeating these reports - I've been watching left and right media all morning. But it's still early and something could surface later.

The closest incident of something unpleasant happening is when Fox News showed a clip of Congressman Emanuel Cleaver II, pointing angrily at some one, but there wasn't any audio from the incident. Only the reporter had a voice-over stating that the congressman later issued a statement that he was spit on, but didn't file charges. It's sad if some one actually did spit on him regardless of his politics.

This is an unfortunate situation. Without video/audio it's hard to confirm any of it. But, that doesn't mean that it never happened. Any of us would be upset if something happened to us and weren't believed simply because it wasn't caught on tape. If it did happen, that's not how any political side should protest.

It's also unfortunate that we're so skeptical of politicians that we can imagine members of Congress making things up to gain sympathy and that we can imagine Democrats posing as TEA Party members to make them look bad.

If it was an orchestrated scheme by Dems,you have to hand it to them to be able to turn the intent of the protest from Health Care to racism. And if it was stupid actions of mad, emotionally charged protesters, then they have changed the focus of the protest and how it will be reported.

The perps should have their voter's registration cards checked to see their political affiliation.

It's clear that elected officials are not facilitating the will of the people. We have to vote them out and keep the next group of Dems and Repubs accountable.

 

[Eldo In The Weeds]

Yeah, everyone will most likely hear about the whole "n" word being yelled yada yada yada.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100321/ap_ ... aucous_day

But what you probably won't hear or see is that this story is total b.s
Here is a vid proving that it NEVER happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCs6pSE ... r_embedded

I hope they find the person on people that created this story and expose him/them. They obviously want some type of violence to happen. Hopefully people have a brain to not comment or act on something that there is absolutely no proof of. But who am I kidding, there are those that will see what they want. One would think that there would be more of a reaction if the "n" word was "chanted" 15 times, and that one of the caucus guys would be smiling (in my mind he's thinking of their plan working). Crazy times, crazy times.

The video doesn't prove anything because you cannot hear everyone in the crowd. Also, people were lined up in the halls inside the building too. That isn't on the video. And if a couple of idiots said something stupid, it doesn't matter anyway. The dems are not making a big deal about it. Let it go, there are bigger issues to talk about.

 

[ptco911]

Yeah, everyone will most likely hear about the whole "n" word being yelled yada yada yada.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100321/ap_ ... aucous_day

But what you probably won't hear or see is that this story is total b.s
Here is a vid proving that it NEVER happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCs6pSE ... r_embedded

I hope they find the person on people that created this story and expose him/them. They obviously want some type of violence to happen. Hopefully people have a brain to not comment or act on something that there is absolutely no proof of. But who am I kidding, there are those that will see what they want. One would think that there would be more of a reaction if the "n" word was "chanted" 15 times, and that one of the caucus guys would be smiling (in my mind he's thinking of their plan working). Crazy times, crazy times.

The video doesn't prove anything because you cannot hear everyone in the crowd. Also, people were lined up in the halls inside the building too. That isn't on the video. And if a couple of idiots said something stupid, it doesn't matter anyway. The dems are not making a big deal about it. Let it go, there are bigger issues to talk about.

That is for sure. They will do anything to discredit the tea party movement and to attempt to fracture it. It is full swing on the mainstream (Obama Channels) media now. Chris Matthews is getting that tingle up his leg again. It will end when he pisses his pants.

 

[scooby&thesig]

Yeah, everyone will most likely hear about the whole "n" word being yelled yada yada yada.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100321/ap_ ... aucous_day

But what you probably won't hear or see is that this story is total b.s
Here is a vid proving that it NEVER happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCs6pSE ... r_embedded

I hope they find the person on people that created this story and expose him/them. They obviously want some type of violence to happen. Hopefully people have a brain to not comment or act on something that there is absolutely no proof of. But who am I kidding, there are those that will see what they want. One would think that there would be more of a reaction if the "n" word was "chanted" 15 times, and that one of the caucus guys would be smiling (in my mind he's thinking of their plan working). Crazy times, crazy times.

The video doesn't prove anything because you cannot hear everyone in the crowd. Also, people were lined up in the halls inside the building too. That isn't on the video. And if a couple of idiots said something stupid, it doesn't matter anyway. The dems are not making a big deal about it. Let it go, there are bigger issues to talk about.

I understand where you are coming from. But..... The news article said the crowd chanted it 15 times before they got into the building. PLUSSSS there is not one video showing it happened. With the "victims" aids waling behind them recording it all, and all the people there with camera phones, you would figure someone has a video of the alleged incident. The video shows no chanting at the location described in the story. It is sort of is a big deal, for the tea party people keep the wrong doings fresh in peoples minds by holding rallies all the time. If they are 100% discredited, then that goes away.If you seriously don't think those on the left that are on tv etc are going to use this then you are wrong. Remember, if you disagree with the pres or anything he does, your a racist or "tea bagger" or both. That's is what msnbc's line up says constantly. So it does matter in a sense. Just my opinion mind you.

 

[Eldo In The Weeds]

Yeah, everyone will most likely hear about the whole "n" word being yelled yada yada yada.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100321/ap_ ... aucous_day

But what you probably won't hear or see is that this story is total b.s
Here is a vid proving that it NEVER happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCs6pSE ... r_embedded

I hope they find the person on people that created this story and expose him/them. They obviously want some type of violence to happen. Hopefully people have a brain to not comment or act on something that there is absolutely no proof of. But who am I kidding, there are those that will see what they want. One would think that there would be more of a reaction if the "n" word was "chanted" 15 times, and that one of the caucus guys would be smiling (in my mind he's thinking of their plan working). Crazy times, crazy times.

The video doesn't prove anything because you cannot hear everyone in the crowd. Also, people were lined up in the halls inside the building too. That isn't on the video. And if a couple of idiots said something stupid, it doesn't matter anyway. The dems are not making a big deal about it. Let it go, there are bigger issues to talk about.

I understand where you are coming from. But..... The news article said the crowd chanted it 15 times before they got into the building. PLUSSSS there is not one video showing it happened. With the "victims" aids waling behind them recording it all, and all the people there with camera phones, you would figure someone has a video of the alleged incident. The video shows no chanting at the location described in the story. It is sort of is a big deal, for the tea party people keep the wrong doings fresh in peoples minds by holding rallies all the time. If they are 100% discredited, then that goes away.If you seriously don't think those on the left that are on tv etc are going to use this then you are wrong. Remember, if you disagree with the pres or anything he does, your a racist or "tea bagger" or both. That's is what msnbc's line up says constantly. So it does matter in a sense. Just my opinion mind you.

If you disagree with the president, then you are a racist. If you disagree with the tea party folks, then you are a socialist. I'm neither.

I don't know why people are up in arms over socialized medicine. Every other western country has it. Do you see their people out in the streets protesting against it? No.

I lived in Japan for two years and used their socialized medicine. Basically, the gov there is the insurance company and the doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, etc are privately owned businesses/self-employed. You go to the doctor, he treats you and they send in paperwork to get paid. When you see the doctor is between you and him/her. The gov has nothing to do with appointments. I never had to wit for an appointment and I never saw the bill.

I'd have a lot more respect for the Republicans who are against gov healthcare if they didn't get it. And if they weren't accepting huge donations from insurance companies and their lobbies.

 

[Trey73]

I don't know why people are up in arms over socialized medicine. Every other western country has it. Do you see their people out in the streets protesting against it? No.

I lived in Japan for two years and used their socialized medicine. Basically, the gov there is the insurance company and the doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, etc are privately owned businesses/self-employed. You go to the doctor, he treats you and they send in paperwork to get paid. When you see the doctor is between you and him/her. The gov has nothing to do with appointments. I never had to wit for an appointment and I never saw the bill.

I'd have a lot more respect for the Republicans who are against gov healthcare if they didn't get it. And if they weren't accepting huge donations from insurance companies and their lobbies.

I've heard negative comments from Canadians about their socialized healthcare for years.

And what, it's good enough for US, yet Congress and the President excluded themselves from having to participate (several sources claim that it's in the bill). That alone should tell you something. Illegal aliens receive the full benefit, yet have none of the liability, does that seem right? If you thought illegal immigration was a problem before, every Mexican family with children with chronic health problems are probably putting their belongings in dry bags and practicing their doggy-paddle as we speak. There are numerous ways in which the bill will give the government more control over our lives, and less privacy for citizens. I don't want a faceless panel of bureaucrats whose job performance is rated on how profitable the program is for the special interests who benefit making decisions about MY health care. This is going to be a tipping point for many people.This country is going down the crapper fast! I know that MOST states are going to legally challenge the Federal governments authority to carry out this program.

 

[hattaresguy]

I really don't care for this whole Tea Party movement. A little to extreme for my taste, I think they are mostly just pissed off republicans.

I voted for Dr. Paul last time around, and will vote for Peter Schiff this year.

 

[restoring]

I don't know why people are up in arms over socialized medicine. Every other western country has it. Do you see their people out in the streets protesting against it? No.

I lived in Japan for two years and used their socialized medicine. Basically, the gov there is the insurance company and the doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, etc are privately owned businesses/self-employed. You go to the doctor, he treats you and they send in paperwork to get paid. When you see the doctor is between you and him/her. The gov has nothing to do with appointments. I never had to wit for an appointment and I never saw the bill.

I'd have a lot more respect for the Republicans who are against gov healthcare if they didn't get it. And if they weren't accepting huge donations from insurance companies and their lobbies.

People write praising social health care... Save your time and trouble. One of my friends DIED because of that oh-so-wonderful health care in Canada. He was told that all of the budgeted money for what he needed was already spent AND THAT HE SHOULD GET HIMSELF TO THE UNITED STATES SO HE COULD GET THE CARE HE NEEDED. How about you try praising socialistic health care to his widow and children? Wanna give that a shot?

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams fled the Canadian health care system to have his heart tended to in Miami, FL. He said "(But) this is not a unique phenomenon to me. This is something that happens with lots of families throughout this country, so I make no apologies for that." - http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadi ... _b-gsGGDxA

Just google Canadians come to US for health care. Several doctors I know in the northeast say they see an amazing number of Canadians coming to their offices for essential medical services because they can't get them in time at home. They pour across our northern border looking for health care like the illegals pour across our southern border looking for money. How's that socialism sound now???

My cousin married a Canadian girl and now lives in Canada. His wife told him they would both hold dual citizenship in both Canada and the United States of America. One of her big reasons??? So they could get the health care they needed in the United States as U.S. Citizens! That socialism still sounding good???

The taxes, fines, and penalties that are going to be rammed down your throat from this will make those socialist country's tax rates look reasonable.

The I.R.S. estimates they will have to hire up to 16,000 new 'enforcement' agents solely for the purpose of tracking every single American and making them prove they have government approved health care or pay a stiff fine. SIXTEEN THOUSAND! Well, at least chairman maobama can now finally (and for the first time) honestly point to some jobs he created.

The Congress and the president are NOT subject to this health care law. They will continue to have what every American has today - CHOICE. Choice that they just took away from us without our consent. That socialism still sound good to you??

The elite from many of those wonderful nations that have socialized health care come to the United States of America when it's their own a$$ (or heart, or chronic disease) on the line. Again, and again, and again!

OVER HALF of the people surveyed in this country are adamant that they do not want socialized health care. OVER HALF. The commies, oh sorry - democrats stated more than once that they would pass this NO MATTER WHAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SAID OR WANTED. That is tyranny. They are not governing with the consent of the governed. PERIOD.

Socialism is communism light, and I will never support or condone it in any form. PERIOD.

DO I think reform is needed? Hell yes. It can start with tort reform, removing/banning drug advertising, etc.

Do I need a marxist system looming over the health care of myself and my loved ones?

HELL NO! I'm an American. I have a choice.

Thank God the Governor of the State of Mississippi feels the same way. He gave the Attorney General of Mississippi an ultimatum today. Either tell me that you are filing suit against this socialized health care bill, or the State of Mississippi will hire outside legal representation to do the job for you.


IF you want socialism, then how about you take 60% of your net worth, hand it to some crack head entitlement thug, then carry yourself back to that oh-so-wonderful country with the social medicine you love so much.

 

[Zeus]

Eldo, I have also lived in Japan in the 1990's. If your going to boast about the healthcare there, don't forget to add that Japanese only have half as many children as America which will become half as many adults that need healthcare and their "lifestyle" is inherently healthlier than the US. Also don't leave out the fact that they don't have a landlocked border with illegals coming in by the millions who will now be covered. Apples and Oranges sir. Don't worry, if 2010 Nov. elections or 2012 Presidential election doesn't take care of this, we who don't support this socialism will get to see first hand how "wrong" we were. The civil unrest will be epic, unlike anything you could ever had imagined.

 

[Eldo In The Weeds]

If we don't want illegals to get healthcare, we can just ban that. Big deal. As for namelerss, faceless beaurocrats making decisions about your healthcare, you have that now. The insurance companies do that, and they do that so they can make money off your pain and suffering. That's better? And congress is exempt fort that too. You can't do anything about insurance company employees, but you can vote out politicians.

If we switched to a socialized system, we are in the perfect position of studying what other countires do so we can do it better. We don't have to do it Canadien style.

What is really funny is that people complain they don't want gov health care but last year a dem congressman introduced a bill to end MEDICARE. The bill got killed in commitee. Hmmmm.

 

[restoring]

If we don't want illegals to get healthcare, we can just ban that. Big deal. As for namelerss, faceless beaurocrats making decisions about your healthcare, you have that now. The insurance companies do that, and they do that so they can make money off your pain and suffering. That's better? And congress is exempt fort that too. You can't do anything about insurance company employees, but you can vote out politicians.

If we switched to a socialized system, we are in the perfect position of studying what other countires do so we can do it better. We don't have to do it Canadien style.

What is really funny is that people complain they don't want gov health care but last year a dem congressman introduced a bill to end MEDICARE. The bill got killed in commitee. Hmmmm.

We can just ban illegals??/ ROTFLMAO - THEY'RE ILLEGAL! THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN BANNED YET... HERE THEY ARE!

And as for those nameless, faceless bureaucrats making decisions about our health care - um- not exactly. Those are called executives and bean counters and the big issue most Americans have is that if we don't like the way those executives or bean counters treat us - we can stop doing business with their company and either find a different one, sue them if they violated their contract with us, or pay for our own health care with our own $! IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INSTITUTING SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. APPLES TO ORANGES BUD.

 

[scooby&thesig]

Hattaresguy- To say the tea party movement is "a little too extreme" and you think they are mostly pissed off repubs is plain asinine. I will just say this, the tea party has had hundreds of gatherings across the Country with ZERO arrests and ZERO violent acts and they leave the locations they gather at cleaner than when it was before they got there. As for the repub remark, the tea party people are pretty much made up of both parties. Don't forget there are still people who are dem and rep. Which brings me to these threatening phone calls. All I have to say is.... check what kind and how many threatening calls any dem who wasn't signed on to the HC bill was receiving before the damn vote. Ohhh there were lots, sooooo who could have made those calls? I think some of the bad dems are trying to get a rise out of anyone who doesn't agree with them. That includes lying, race baiting (yeah the whole bs "n" comment which no vid still has not come up), and taunting. The American people are being played and that in itself should be a damn crime. Anyways, Eldo. As for banning HC for illegals, they should be parachuted into what ever country they came from. Those who haven't been arrested, give them a ticket which moves them up the line for immigration. Make the immigration process quicker but still thorough. In the majority of european countries, if your caught there illegally, your ass is booted, with the boot stuck in your crack. Let them come over like my family did, and every persons family living in this great Country has. As for your comment about health care ins co. making money off of pain and suffering, let me just say this. 1: their profit margin is like 2%. 2: Ins companies price is based sort of by the gov. Look up the process, as it's annoying to explain. 3: This hc bill will put the ins companies out of business within around 4 or 5 years. Why? Because the bill is making the companies pay to 85%. You know what that does? It makes them operate above their operating threshold which will make them close their doors. You know I could have sworn we would be able to keep our policies. Also, the hc bill was written in a way that the elections in November happen before the rate hike that is directly caused by the hc bill. So the Dems can say "see we kept your rates down". Then the boat load of crap doesn't hit until after 2012/13. That is molesting the people in this Country in my opinion. 4: Someone stated that we are the only nation that doesn't have socialized hc, maybe that is the reason why everyone and their mother comes here. I have chatted with more than my fair share of Canadians, the majority hate their hc and they HATE the amount of taxes taken out of their checks. I have spent time in Germany, simply put... if they can, they go to the U.S. For some reason Singapore does ok, hey they pay you alot to get married and have kids, money per kid. Will you find some in each country that likes their hc? Sure, but there are people alive that like getting tortured and degraded as their sexual "get off", so that's how I equate it. Are there thing wrong with our system? Sure, but there should be small experiments here and there to see the effect certain changes make. Not throw a hastily constructed bill together, during a damn recession, and screw up the way the Country operates. Also I think it was the health secretary Cathline sibilous or whatever that said the pharm companies profits are going to be cut down by like 90 billion over X years. You know what that means? Buh bye new drugs. It takes millions and millions to research 1 new drug. Oh and also how many years are we all going to be taxed until anything kicks in? What type of crock is that?! Ohhhhhh the one thing I liked is the kid law, every kid no matter what is covered (even though there are non profit clinics all over the Country). BUT....... that law surprisingly was forgotten and left out. SWEEETTTTT, that is how competent they are. If you want a really good look at gov healthcare, take a peak the reservations. They live in a damn nightmare.. And the last thing I am going to say is..... I am pretty sure alot of damn good people died making sure the AMERICAN way of life was not messed with. They died all over the globe and here, for freedom. Our Country was/is the first of it's kind. The constitution etc was designed NOT to be like England (where they have medical quotas) or Europe etc. So why do people want us to be like them. As a American, you have these rights : Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness(property). Everything else is up to you. That is why America is the land of dreams. We were/are the most envied country in the world, because we are not like the rest. I'm done with this convo cause it is seriously upsetting when I think of my kids their their kids so one and so forth and what kind of country they will be living in. AMERICANS DO NOT GET TOLD THEY HAVE TO BUY SHIT, that in itself is un-American damn it, said in a American damn way.

 

[scooby&thesig]

Quick note: I was basically falling asleep when I wrote this. So if there are sentences that are mixed up or incomplete thoughts, please forgive me. Thank ya!

 

[elnonio]

Quick note: I was basically falling asleep when I wrote this. So if there are sentences that are mixed up or incomplete thoughts, please forgive me. Thank ya!

No sweat, but you can always go back and break up the paragraphs a little...

As a former Spaniard, the data point I can offer is that Europeans that come here do not come fleeing the communist hell that is Europe (not) and the healthcare system. I grew up in France, and still recall the claims that the system was bankrupt and could not survive. That was as far back as 1985. 25 years later, it's still there.

Nothing was further from my mind when I came than leaving that system behind. I came to finish my education and gain a new experience to get ahead in life. Had I not met my wife of now 11 years (together 16), I'd be back in Spain. In fact, I did go back even after meeting her, and it wasn't until I was recruited by a law school that I came back. She was ready to move over and stay in Europe. Shocking, many American expats do that.

Most of us come here looking for different opportunities and the "greener grass". Just as we grow up idolizing 501 jeans and RayBans, and Americans tag "as sold in Europe" to merchandise that is not even available there as a selling point... Not sure where you get the idea that Europeans are somehow dying to get out of there.

 

[Eldo In The Weeds]

Quick note: I was basically falling asleep when I wrote this. So if there are sentences that are mixed up or incomplete thoughts, please forgive me. Thank ya!

LOL--I was wondering. It's okay, we've all been there.

 

[Eldo In The Weeds]

If we don't want illegals to get healthcare, we can just ban that. Big deal. As for namelerss, faceless beaurocrats making decisions about your healthcare, you have that now. The insurance companies do that, and they do that so they can make money off your pain and suffering. That's better? And congress is exempt fort that too. You can't do anything about insurance company employees, but you can vote out politicians.

If we switched to a socialized system, we are in the perfect position of studying what other countires do so we can do it better. We don't have to do it Canadien style.

What is really funny is that people complain they don't want gov health care but last year a dem congressman introduced a bill to end MEDICARE. The bill got killed in commitee. Hmmmm.

We can just ban illegals??/ ROTFLMAO - THEY'RE ILLEGAL! THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN BANNED YET... HERE THEY ARE!

And as for those nameless, faceless bureaucrats making decisions about our health care - um- not exactly. Those are called executives and bean counters and the big issue most Americans have is that if we don't like the way those executives or bean counters treat us - we can stop doing business with their company and either find a different one, sue them if they violated their contract with us, or pay for our own health care with our own $! IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INSTITUTING SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. APPLES TO ORANGES BUD.

I think you misread what i said about the illegals. I meant we can ban giving them free heathcare in the future. They have been getting free healthcare for years already. Go to any county hospital and look in the emergency room.

You bring up an interesting pint about the health insurance companies. If they have to take people with pre-existing conditions, then selling health insurance may not be profitable. What happens if they all stop selling insurance? Where would all go to get out mandatory coverage?

And if I don't like my insurance company, I cannot just fire them and go get another. My insurance is through my employer and I am stuck with them. Buying it on my own would bankrupt me. My employer has changed insurance campanies twice in the last 4 years. This last January they doubled our premiums. When they changed providers the second time, my doctor of the last 10 years was not on their list, so if I go to see him, I have to pay out-of-network charges. What choice did I have in any of that? Not much.