Been doing some research, and read that Sig acquired the patent for the Mustang and tweaked it.Nra-Life-Member said:It's a nice looking 380. I believe I read somewhere that Sig purchased the rights to make this pistol from Colt..
Ullie,ullie said:...and it certainly isn't a SIG design...
...Art7art said:I agree it does not look like SIG. Any ideas where the design came from? Was it a purchased design, or was it developed for SIG under contract to an outside firm?
...i have no idea if Colt still own's any rights to the design ???...don't know...lot's of 1911 clones out there...and some wannabes...7art said:Is there any truth to the rumor that it was licensed from Colt?
I normally treat your advice as biblical, but there's one caveat to this...ullie said:...the 238 is similar...but not identical to the Colt Mustang !
...and it certainly isn't a SIG design...kinda a bastard child IMO...
..aside from the design...i personally would not consider carrying a 380 with only ~ 1.7 inches of usuable barrel length...you are going to loose 100 fps or more in muzzle velosity on an already margional defensive cartrage...you need at least a little over 2 inches to develope a reasonable velosity...with a total barrel length of ~ 3.2 inches...preferably a little more...
...i would pass on this "curosity" big time...there are better options out there...
...my 2 cents...
Have you considered a Ruger LCP? It's basically the same size as the 238 but is much lighter and 1/2 the price. It's DAO but I honestly think the trigger is better than any of the 238's I have handled. I have close to 500 rounds through my LCP and have yet to have any issues. In fact, it shoots extremely well at 7 yards and not bad at all out to 15. Just a thought.txshurricane said:I am eyeballing the P238 as a backup. My P229 can stay in my vehicle or in a satchel, and the P238 can stay in my pocket or inside the pants via hook holster. As it stands, I rarely carry when I'm gussied up. Having a decently reliable and accurate pea shooter is better than none at all.
...txshurricanetxshurricane said:I am eyeballing the P238 as a backup. Having a decently reliable and accurate pea shooter is better than none at all.
If you really want to purchase a P238 after doing some Internet searches to see how other folks are enjoying (sarcasm intended) their P238's, you may want to at least purchase a P238 from a dealer who will issue you a full refund (without charging you restocking fees and other such nonsense) in case you discover that the P238 isn't what you thought it would be. It's something to consider.txshurricane said:I am eyeballing the P238 as a backup. My P229 can stay in my vehicle or in a satchel, and the P238 can stay in my pocket or inside the pants via hook holster. As it stands, I rarely carry when I'm gussied up. Having a decently reliable and accurate pea shooter is better than none at all.
KB said:Have you considered a Ruger LCP? It's basically the same size as the 238 but is much lighter and 1/2 the price. It's DAO but I honestly think the trigger is better than any of the 238's I have handled. I have close to 500 rounds through my LCP and have yet to have any issues. In fact, it shoots extremely well at 7 yards and not bad at all out to 15. Just a thought.
KB and ullie - it's not near so much a need per se, as it is a want...with an ulterior purpose. If I am ever in the position to absolutely need a handgun for self defense, I would simply carry my tried-and-true P229.ullie said:...txshurricane
...i know what you mean about concealing your weapon...i feel the same way...i've carred a Walther PPK now for well over three decades and highly recomend one...either a German model or an Interarms...it's only a little more than 4 ounces heavier than a 238 with the standard PPK magazine...about 1/2 inch longer...something you'll never notice...the same height...but a little more slim at slightly less than 1 inch wide...more importantly though...it has a barrel length of 84mm...or about 3.3 inches...giving you ~2.3 inches of usuable barrel versus the ~1.7 inches of the 238...providing you with a significant increase in velosity and terminal performance....
...i have owned several PPKs over the years and they have been utterly reliable once broken in...and they are virtually indestructable and "safe" when carrier with a round in the chamber...i currently have an Interarms PPK in stainless that i've carried since 1991...and it's been everywhere...i fire it at least once a year and it has never missed a beat...
...i would check out a PPK before making up your mind...it's a solid performer...it may fill your need...
...just a heads up...i would avoid the Smith and Wesson models...and go with an Interarms in stainless...should you consider buying one...
...just my thoughts...
Lisa said:Good evening, txshurricane.
If you really want to purchase a P238 after doing some Internet searches to see how other folks are enjoying (sarcasm intended) their P238's, you may want to at least purchase a P238 from a dealer who will issue you a full refund (without charging you restocking fees and other such nonsense) in case you discover that the P238 isn't what you thought it would be. It's something to consider.
ullie said:...i would check out a PPK before making up your mind...it's a solid performer...it may fill your need...
...so much get's lost with the written word...doesn't it ! ...by my saying that "it may fill your need"...i'm suggesting that a PPK is suitable for concealed carry...when you so desire...because of it's size and reliability...txshurricane said:- it's not near so much a need per se, as it is a want...with an ulterior purpose. If I am ever in the position to absolutely need a handgun for self defense, I would simply carry my tried-and-true P229.
txshurricane said:Lisa said:If you really want to purchase a P238 after doing some Internet searches to see how other folks are enjoying (sarcasm intended) their P238's, you may want to at least purchase a P238 from a dealer who will issue you a full refund (without charging you restocking fees and other such nonsense) in case you discover that the P238 isn't what you thought it would be. It's something to consider.
Hi, Lisa, and thanks. I have indeed been reading about your woes. I don't know of any dealers that offer full refunds. Aside from that, my limited experiences with Sig's customer service have all been literally stellar. I would trust Sig to make the situation right before a retailer would. If all else fails, I have only myself to blame for a bad firearm purchase.
Also: pretty much all of my 'net research comes up all positive. The only exceptions are your story, and another gentleman on YouTube who used Blazer aluminum cartridges and got a slug stuck in the barrel. Of course, I don't shoot competitively or anything like that. 300 rds a year for fun, 7 in the center mass for defense.
