Pivot Mount for Mako 3X Scope

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tvchance

Discussion Starter · Jan 1, 2010

Magpul, A.R.M.S. and Larue Tactical, are you listening? We really need a pivoting mount that will fit the Mako 3X and 5X scopes (Magnifiers). Take a look at the internet and see how many people are looking for a mount like this. There's a good market out there!

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park245

· #2 · Mar 1, 2010

By "pivoting mount", I assume you are referring to a flip-to-side mount like Aimpoint sells for about $400. I talked to Mako last fall about this and they said that they would be out with one early this year. I recently checked with their site, www.makosecurity.com (under optics and scopes) and found that they just came out with a unique "pop up" mount for $165. Looks like a really neat solution if it holds together. I sent an email to their customer service department asking about what the response has been and that I intended to order one and here is their response...

"Thanks for your comments. We appreciate all customer feedback (including negative). There is no rush on the order as we are awaiting delivery on the next batch (the first one sold out). The good news is on the second batch weâ€™ve upgraded to the strongest aluminum we could get are hands on that is still machinable (not to say the original was below spec- these will just be above and beyond). Please write us back with any more feedback that you have."

I've checked online and only found one person who has commented but he really liked it. I noticed that Midway and Top Gun will offer this when they get some and at about $150. Think I'll wait a bit for more feedback but its a lot more affordable and kind of a different solution to the problem.

There are a couple of "twist off" mounts available for the same price but that takes the Magnifier totally off the gun.

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jadedone4

· #3 · Mar 14, 2010

park245 said:
By "pivoting mount", I assume you are referring to a flip-to-side mount like Aimpoint sells for about $400. I talked to Mako last fall about this and they said that they would be out with one early this year. I recently checked with their site, www.makosecurity.com (under optics and scopes) and found that they just came out with a unique "pop up" mount for $165. Looks like a really neat solution if it holds together. I sent an email to their customer service department asking about what the response has been and that I intended to order one and here is their response...

"Thanks for your comments. We appreciate all customer feedback (including negative). There is no rush on the order as we are awaiting delivery on the next batch (the first one sold out). The good news is on the second batch weâ€™ve upgraded to the strongest aluminum we could get are hands on that is still machinable (not to say the original was below spec- these will just be above and beyond). Please write us back with any more feedback that you have."

I've checked online and only found one person who has commented but he really liked it. I noticed that Midway and Top Gun will offer this when they get some and at about $150. Think I'll wait a bit for more feedback but its a lot more affordable and kind of a different solution to the problem.

There are a couple of "twist off" mounts available for the same price but that takes the Magnifier totally off the gun.

OK, new 556 owner (over a month now...); saw this MAKO (7x) w/swivel-detach mount on Amazon.com - spent $150; it arrived on Thursday; shot with it on SaturdayAM; detached it completely from 556; placed back in wrapping and on Monday, it will be headed back for refund.

Optics are NOT clear on the red dot or whatever retical you may use.

Magnification is so-so (I was able to see - clearly - numbers on houses at/about 75/yrds from me).

Mount is HORRIBLE; after about 30/rds of 55gr .223 (Remington Grn/White box) the mount loosen badly; it was by far the worse shooting experience that I have had, and I am VERY happy that I caught/noticed the issue before the unit hit the hard concrete floor at the range.

I took the 556 back home stripped it down to the iron-sights and headed to local shop for test-runs on EOTech and AimPoint. Right now I am waiting on "rebate-money" from SIG on the 556 purchase and then leaning heavily towards the AimPoint set-up (ML2/3 w/magnifier - w/LaRue mounts); from the LaRue website, they offer "combo's" for this set-up that will run +/- $1200; still searching around for better deals, but that is the best so far (may have to split the ML2/3 and 3x/Magnifier purchases into two).

... just my two cents; hope that it helps and/or warns anyone else from the mistake that I made (spend the cash on QUALITY accessories for the 556 - she's ALWAYS worth it).

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ullie

· #4 · Mar 14, 2010

jadedone4 said:
and then leaning heavily towards the AimPoint set-up (ML2/3 w/magnifier - w/LaRue mounts); from the LaRue website, they offer "combo's" for this set-up that will run +/- $1200; still searching around for better deals, but that is the best so far (may have to split the ML2/3 and 3x/Magnifier purchases into two).

...in my opinion...if you want magnification...i would go with a low power variable scope with an illuminated reticle...especially considering the cost of an Aimpoint and a magnifier...at 1x you can use it as a quasi type red dot shooting with both eyes open...lighter and less bulky...and enabling you to shoot far more accurately at range...

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jadedone4

· #5 · Mar 14, 2010

ullie said:
jadedone4 said:

and then leaning heavily towards the AimPoint set-up (ML2/3 w/magnifier - w/LaRue mounts); from the LaRue website, they offer "combo's" for this set-up that will run +/- $1200; still searching around for better deals, but that is the best so far (may have to split the ML2/3 and 3x/Magnifier purchases into two).

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...in my opinion...if you want magnification...i would go with a low power variable scope with an illuminated reticle...especially considering the cost of an Aimpoint and a magnifier...at 1x you can use it as a quasi type red dot shooting with both eyes open...lighter and less bulky...and enabling you to shoot far more accurately at range...

OK, I'm all ears.... any recommendations or pointing to information here on SIG-556 (previous posts, etc)? From there I can hit my local gun-shop and "see" how eyes react to a scoped set-up as you recommend versus the AimPoint. If it saves me $$ - with no loss of application/function; I'll gander a visit is worth the additional intel/information. Thanks in advance for the help - this is first 556 for me (proud SIG P226 owner for about two-years).

Edit - did a cursory review of the Leopuld Mark 4 - CQ/T (LaRue site has it +/- $1050, which moves price-point down about $150 from the AimPoint combo). Ullie, is this (or similiar set-up) what you mentioned above...?

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ullie

· #6 · Mar 14, 2010

...here some information to give you some idea...you may want to do some reading in the optics section...

... http://www.sigarms556.com/viewtopic.php?t=8393

... http://www.sigarms556.com/viewtopic.php?t=8452

jadedone4 said:
Edit - did a cursory review of the Leopuld Mark 4 - CQ/T (LaRue site has it +/- $1050, which moves price-point down about $150 from the AimPoint combo). Ullie, is this (or similiar set-up) what you mentioned above...?

...not exactly what i had in mind...i would pass...the Leupold Mark 4-CQ/T is essentually an illuminated reticle low power variable scope with rather short eye relief ( 2 inches @ 3X...2.8 inches @ 1X )...when compared to most low power variable scopes...due to the small 14mm objective lense...you have a correspondingly small exit pupil...the greater the eye relief and the larger the exit pupil...the less critical head position becomes...and the more rapidely you'll be able to aquire a target...

...i would either go with a reflex or holographic sight without the magnifier if rapid target aquisition is "critical" to you...or go with a good quality low powered variable scope with an illuminated reticle...at 1 X...a low powered variable with ample eye relief and generous exit pupil with a relatively bright illuminated retical will be only "slightly" slower in acquiring your target...and you will still be able to shoot with both eyes open while maintaining your situational awareness...and also have the option to power up for accurate long range fire...more so than with an Aimpoint or Eotech and a magnifier...which essentually defeats the advantages of a reflex or holographic sight...leaving you with a heavy and awkward magnified optic with a too large aiming tool...ie the dot or reticle...for precise shooting at range...

...i would do some homework here before spending that kind of money...

...my 1 1/2 penneys worth...

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jadedone4

· #7 · Mar 17, 2010

ullie said:
...here some information to give you some idea...you may want to do some reading in the optics section...

... http://www.sigarms556.com/viewtopic.php?t=8393

... http://www.sigarms556.com/viewtopic.php?t=8452

jadedone4 said:

Edit - did a cursory review of the Leopuld Mark 4 - CQ/T (LaRue site has it +/- $1050, which moves price-point down about $150 from the AimPoint combo). Ullie, is this (or similiar set-up) what you mentioned above...?

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...not exactly what i had in mind...i would pass...the Leupold Mark 4-CQ/T is essentually an illuminated reticle low power variable scope with rather short eye relief ( 2 inches @ 3X...2.8 inches @ 1X )...when compared to most low power variable scopes...due to the small 14mm objective lense...you have a correspondingly small exit pupil...the greater the eye relief and the larger the exit pupil...the less critical head position becomes...and the more rapidely you'll be able to aquire a target...

...i would either go with a reflex or holographic sight without the magnifier if rapid target aquisition is "critical" to you...or go with a good quality low powered variable scope with an illuminated reticle...at 1 X...a low powered variable with ample eye relief and generous exit pupil with a relatively bright illuminated retical will be only "slightly" slower in acquiring your target...and you will still be able to shoot with both eyes open while maintaining your situational awareness...and also have the option to power up for accurate long range fire...more so than with an Aimpoint or Eotech and a magnifier...which essentually defeats the advantages of a reflex or holographic sight...leaving you with a heavy and awkward magnified optic with a too large aiming tool...ie the dot or reticle...for precise shooting at range...

...i would do some homework here before spending that kind of money...

...my 1 1/2 penneys worth...

Ullie - got your PM (thanks); also thanks for the information above. Decided on the AimPoint ML3 (2MOA); ordering directly from LaRue's site (w/mount); from there I'll make a decision on the magnifier. I understand your points; however, when hand holding the ML3 with the Magnifier at local gun shop, for whatever reason, my vision/target acquisition was very comfortable. Does that mean same at range, or real-time situation...? unsure, but will be taking the 556 into shop for tweaks in April, so I'll see of the shop will allow me to "test-mount" the Magnifier on the rifle and test-run my eyes to the combo of th ML3 and the Magnifier.

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