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I don't lay blame where blame is not due, its apparent that this admin gave BP permission to drill in the gulf WITHOUT having BP to go through the proper permitting process. This folks is third world type behavior typically seen in only corrupt governments. You just don't do that, you don't short circuit the process or circumvent the law, when you do, when things go wrong that is on you baby.

Having BP go through the correct process creates a different mindset in the preparation stages and may altered horizons path. No different than war, rushing in unprepared has a totally different outcome than heading in well prepared.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/us/14agency.html
 

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you should take "Obama" out of your title - this is legacy Bush stuff as well.

“Under the previous administration, there was a pattern of suppressing science in decisions, and we are working very hard to change the culture and empower scientists in the Department of the Interior.â€
 

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PGT, it was the barack admin that gave BP permission to proceed without making the proper applications. This man speaks out of both sides of his mouth and needs to be called out on the hypocrisy. sorry, nothing to do with President Bush this time. bo also just gave halliburton a 500M no bid contract, absolute nonsense. those contracts NEED to be bidded on to get the best service and price and it provides better optics. bo is no different than bush is what you are saying???? as he's acting the same??? in your mind????
 

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I'm saying that you can't call every person who works for the USG the "Obama Administration". There's a distinction between political appointees and government bureaucrats.

I didn't read every last bit of that article so perhaps I missed the "Obama appointee Mr. ______ approved BP drilling without proper permits". What I read documented the institutional issues we've got with our Gov. It's not about the current Pres...it's about special interests, lobbyists and the close relationship between regulators and industry.

And, to criticize a sole-source award to Halliburton.... that's the pot calling the kettle black :lol: I'm not saying its right or its wrong - I have no idea. But, I do know its been going on far longer than Obama has been in office. Lastly, there's a process for which contract awards can be protested. The GAO investigates them - even sole-source. The justification for sole-source is stringent....i.e. there is oversight.
 

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PGT said:
I'm saying that you can't call every person who works for the USG the "Obama Administration". There's a distinction between political appointees and government bureaucrats.

I didn't read every last bit of that article so perhaps I missed the "Obama appointee Mr. ______ approved BP drilling without proper permits". What I read documented the institutional issues we've got with our Gov. It's not about the current Pres...it's about special interests, lobbyists and the close relationship between regulators and industry.

And, to criticize a sole-source award to Halliburton.... that's the pot calling the kettle black :lol: I'm not saying its right or its wrong - I have no idea. But, I do know its been going on far longer than Obama has been in office. Lastly, there's a process for which contract awards can be protested. The GAO investigates them - even sole-source. The justification for sole-source is stringent....i.e. there is oversight.
pgt, you make my point very clear. obama blames President Bush for everything, when in fact he wasn't responsible for everything just like Obama is not responsible for all the bad decisions being made in his administration. However, that is not how Obama likes to color the canvass. When GW was in office EVERYTHING bad was his fault in fact bo is still blaming him, and bo is accepting no responsibility for anything. Pathetic really. This admin however is far more covert in dealing with the majors than you or others may like to think. Many more dirty deals being done now than ever before in the history of the USG and Private enterprise relations. Its my business, I can assure you, what you see is nowhere near what the voters thought they were getting. End of conversation for me.
 

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from the Washington Post:

Chris Oynes, who oversaw oil and gas leasing in the Gulf of Mexico for 12 years before being promoted in 2007 to associate director for offshore energy and minerals management, informed colleagues in an e-mail that he will step down
case closed. career bureaucrat who was promoted under Bush's DOI Secretary.

i.e. NOT "Obama Admin" as the thread ist titled.

Complain all you want about the closeness of special interests to regulators but don't make this an anti-Obama issue. Its not about who's in office but about special interests.
 

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PGT said:
from the Washington Post:

Chris Oynes, who oversaw oil and gas leasing in the Gulf of Mexico for 12 years before being promoted in 2007 to associate director for offshore energy and minerals management, informed colleagues in an e-mail that he will step down
case closed. career bureaucrat who was promoted under Bush's DOI Secretary.

i.e. NOT "Obama Admin" as the thread ist titled.

Complain all you want about the closeness of special interests to regulators but don't make this an anti-Obama issue. Its not about who's in office but about special interests.
Well Played, Sir!
 

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Tough to lay the blame at Obama's feet when the GOP is still blocking so many of his nominees/appointees and policies.

That said, if he keeps appeasing the Right in this idiotic attempt at bipartisanship with an opposition party which has no interest in cooperation, eventually it WILL be his fault when things like this happen.
 

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There SigDizzy goes again - babbling inanities

Wow. Someone got SigDIzzy to stop babbling. It's been two days since he was smacked down with facts and he has not yet replied. Must be furiously looking up the writer at the Washington Post to find ANYthing he can pounce on. Or soothing his battered brain listening to Rush or Glenn Beck. Or praying. Next thing you know he'll parrot the last idiocy Rush spouted off about the spill being the environmentalists fault.

I am smiling.

Let the counter-attacks and the jumping to his defense commence.

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Who let the children out? :roll:
what does this even mean? :?
 

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PGT said:
TommyGunn said:
Who let the children out? :roll:
what does this even mean? :?
It means the level of discourse in this thread is getting really ... peurile.
Atleast, IMHO

"It was Bush's fault"
"No it is Obama's fault."
"Bush was an evil corporatist who sucked America dry."
"Obama is a commie."


Jeeesh.
It is an enormous beuraucracy.
Ever hear of "The buck stops here." ??? President Truman had a sign that read that on his desk.
Bush was responsible for what happened during his tenure.
Obama is responsible now. HE is the president. He may have inherited a bunch of [email protected], but so did Bush, and he didn't whine so much ... or atleast he had enough cheese with it to keep himself busy chewing so he kept his yap closed.

THAT is what I mean. Sorry to be too oblique ..... :roll:
 

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oruacat2 said:
Tough to lay the blame at Obama's feet when the GOP is still blocking so many of his nominees/appointees and policies.

That said, if he keeps appeasing the Right in this idiotic attempt at bipartisanship with an opposition party which has no interest in cooperation, eventually it WILL be his fault when things like this happen.
Let's see...his nominees/appointees appear to largely Marxists and socialist radicals, his socialist anti-American policies threaten to destroy the country we all love. Hmmmm..wonder why the people on the right are not in support of these things...
 

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BP can hire any company it wants to do its cement jobs. BP is a corporation not a Gov dept and contracts don't have to be bid on although there is stiff competition among service companies for work. The BP consultant took short cuts and everyonce in a while it comes back to bite you like it did here. Plus the annular was FUBAR and the back ups didn't work. Thing is, they knew this well might bite them because it was kicking during drilling. You don't circulate over to water unless you are absolutley sure your plugs are set.
 

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Tom Morris said:
Let's see...his nominees/appointees appear to largely Marxists and socialist radicals, his socialist anti-American policies threaten to destroy the country we all love. Hmmmm..wonder why the people on the right are not in support of these things...
hmmm.... the economic collapse happened on who's watch? Oh yeah. Inconvenient fact, eh?
 

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PGT said:
Tom Morris said:
Let's see...his nominees/appointees appear to largely Marxists and socialist radicals, his socialist anti-American policies threaten to destroy the country we all love. Hmmmm..wonder why the people on the right are not in support of these things...
hmmm.... the economic collapse happened on who's watch? Oh yeah. Inconvenient fact, eh?
I never said the economic collapse didn't happen under bush's watch so what is your point here?
 

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the decline we see in America didn't start with Obama's inauguration, though whomever is in office always gets the blame (Bush got blamed for the mortgage crisis though it really was on Clinton's shoulders).
 
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