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Wow. This is starting to happen in more and more places around the country.

It seems to be mostly starting with the smaller departments when it comes to closing them completely, but it's equally troubling to see large departments saying that there are crimes they just aren't going to respond to anymore.

Can you say 'Open Season'?, 'cause I'm sure the criminals are thinking it! Imagine coming home to see that your house has been burglarized - and knowing you shouldn't bother calling the police because they're not going to come. Oakland says to notify them via the internet if you suffer from one of over 40 crimes they aren't going to respond to anymore. Burglary is one of them. Whoops, better hope the burglars didn't take your computer!

Even while some in law enforcement are telling us to arm ourselves, the anti-gunners still want to take them away. I think we've slipped into Bizzaro-land! ... 66509.html

Suffer These Crimes in Oakland? Don't Call the Cops
Dozens of layoffs effective at midnight, barring last minute deal

Oakland's police chief is making some dire claims about what his force will and will not respond to if layoffs go as planned.

Chief Anthony Batts listed exactly 44 situations that his officers will no longer respond to and they include grand theft, burglary, car wrecks, identity theft and vandalism. He says if you live and Oakland and one of the above happens to you, you need to let police know on-line.

Some 80 officers were to be let go at midnight last night if a last-minute deal was not reached. That's about ten percent of the work force.

"I came her e to build an organization, not downsize one," said Batts, who was given the top job in October.

That deadline has been extended to 5 p.m. Tuesday.

Here's a partial list:

* burglary
* theft
* embezzlement
* grand theft
* grand theft:dog
* identity theft
* false information to peace officer
* required to register as sex or arson offender
* dump waste or offensive matter
* discard appliance with lock
* loud music
* possess forged notes
* pass fictitious check
* obtain money by false voucher
* fraudulent use of access cards
* stolen license plate
* embezzlement by an employee (over $ 400)
* extortion
* attempted extortion
* false personification of other
* injure telephone/ power line
* interfere with power line
* unauthorized cable tv connection
* vandalism
* administer/expose poison to another's

Negotiations are going on at Oakland City Hall in the mayor's office.

Batts said the 80 officers slated to be laid off - mostly new officers - are "pretty sad and pretty depressed," and those feelings are shared by the Police Department as a whole.

The Oakland City Council voted June 25 to eliminate the positions to help close the city's $32.5 million funding gap. According to the city of Oakland, each of the 776 police officers currently employed at OPD costs around $188,000 per year. Most of the officers who will be affected by the layoffs were on the streets of Oakland when Johannes Mehserle's involuntary manslaughter conviction caused riots last Thursday.

The sticking point in negotiations appears to be job security. The city council asked OPD officers to pay nine percent of their salary toward their pensions, which would save the city about $7.8 million toward a multi-million dollar deficit. The police union agreed, as long as the city could promise no layoffs for three years. No dice, says city council president Jane Brunner.

"We wish we could offer them a three-year no layoff protection we just can't financially. It would be irresponsible of us," Brunner said. The city agreed to a one-year moratorium on layoffs, but it is not enough for the union.

The problem is money. In the last five years, the police budget -- along with the fire department budget -- have amount to 75 percent of the general fund. After years of largely sparing those departments the budget ax, now it appears there are few other places to cut.

These are the last hours of negotiation and Brunner is hopeful that the city and police will find some sort middle ground.

"It's been very good conversation and not a whole lot of grandstanding." Brunner said. "There's actually real conversations. Each side understands the problem," she said.

Here's more: ... e/19550879

Penny-Pinching Towns Put Police Out to Pasture

Karen Schwartz
AOL News
FORT COLLINS, Colo. (July 13) -- The sheriff will be walking the streets again in San Luis -- the oldest community in Colorado. But it's not a return to the Wild West; the town fired its entire police force to save money.

Around the country other towns -- large and small -- are also eliminating their police departments. The Los Angeles suburb of Maywood, Calif., fired its officers, as did rural Bethel, Maine. Near Pittsburgh, Fallowfield, Pa., also voted to disband its police department.

The towns have been turning law enforcement over to county sheriffs, a decision that Jim Pasco, executive director of the National Fraternal Order of Police, called "penny wise and pound foolish."

He told AOL News that sheriff's departments and state police don't have the manpower to properly patrol larger areas.

"The absolute threshold responsibility of a government at any level is to ensure the safety of its citizens," he said, adding that local police officers are more effective because they "know the town, know the people and know the nuances."

San Luis, established in southern Colorado in 1851, is facing a $750,000 budget deficit. The town of 740 residents has a median income is $20,875. It's about 225 miles from Denver.

"We just did not have the money to pay these people," San Luis Mayor Theresa S. Medina said by telephone.

She said firing the police chief and three part-time officers was expected to save about $10,000 a month in salaries, gas and car maintenance. The unanimous decision by the San Luis City Council on July 2 also saw the town's sole maintenance worker fired, leaving the town clerk as the only employee.

At the monthly town meeting, the only opposition came from the police chief, Medina said. Discussions about a volunteer force didn't make sense because the town would have liability problems, she said.

The mayor said a grant received by the Costilla County sheriff should allow that agency to provide coverage at no charge to San Luis for at least three years.

Medina, 61, a lifelong resident of San Luis, isn't worried about not having a police department. The previous officers didn't live in town anyhow. She also said there hadn't been a serious crime for as far back as she could remember.

"Every little town has crime. Ours isn't major," the mayor said. "We have kids getting in fights," vandalism and some burglary.

But the crime rate is significant in Maywood, Calif., an industrial working-class town of more than 30,000 residents. There were four murders in 2008, twice the national average, according to the website

Maywood had a $450,000 deficit in a $210 million budget. In addition, it had been unable to obtain insurance and workers' compensation coverage because it had faced too many lawsuits, many involving the police.

Rather than declare bankruptcy, all city functions were outsourced this month. The duties of the 41 police officers -- who also patrolled the neighboring city of Cudahy -- were turned over to the sheriff's department in neighboring East Los Angeles.

The firings were opposed by some at the city council, according to the Los Angeles Times.

"You guys had the power to change it, and you didn't," City Treasurer Lizeth Sandoval told the council. "You single-handedly destroyed the city."

Sandoval, 28, who was speaking as a resident, was laid off as part of the cuts.

The decision to eliminate the police force in Bethel, Maine -- 70 miles northwest of Portland -- was also one that divided the vacation town of 2,500.

Bethel had only one full-time officer and five vacancies it hadn't been able to fill, Town Clerk Christen Mason told AOL News in a telephone interview.

It would have cost $453,800 for academy-trained officers. The contract with the Oxford County sheriff, which started July 1, costs $295,000 per year, she said.

But that doesn't sit well with some residents, like Nathan White. "I think it's going to adversely affect the town, he said, according to an area television station. "I don't think we're going to have the coverage we thought we were going to have."

At a special town meeting in the spring, the decision to eliminate the police department passed by only seven votes. A new vote was held at the annual meeting in June, and it passed by 123 votes out of 929 votes cast.

In Fallowfield, Pa., the supervisors voted 2-1 to fire the two full- and three part-time officers when their contract expires Dec. 31. The town, about 25 miles south of Pittsburgh, has 4,400 residents.

Supervisor Olga Woodward said in a telephone interview that she couldn't comment because the police union may sue. However, 14 townships in Pennsylvania's Washington County have no municipal police force, she said.

"This is happening everywhere," Woodward said.

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Might be a good thing

Make the sheep realize that the better watch their own ass because no ones gonna come and save them. Might be bad for the bad guys too, as prosecuters and jurys might be more on the side of the honest citizen who stops the car theif or burgular. Now if you stop a car theif in Tucson, the law spends more time on finding something the good guy did wrong then putting the bad guy away.

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I'm currently in an area of town that has been on a steady decline, with hispanic gangs moving in (yes, I'm looking to move out) and was told by a high ranking official "We no longer come to your area for gun shots unless someone is shot". "Those are celebratory gunshots so we don't respond."

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I'm currently in an area of town that has been on a steady decline, with hispanic gangs moving in (yes, I'm looking to move out) and was told by a high ranking official "We no longer come to your area for gun shots unless someone is shot". "Those are celebratory gunshots so we don't respond."
Dayamn! They won't respond to gunshots??? Does that mean if someone shoots someone else and hides the body...

That's scary.

When I hit 3 deer last fall, I couldn't shoot the injured deer that was dragging itself off the road with it's two front legs even though I had my .45 with me because there is a law against discharging a firearm within city limits.

The sound of a gunshot around in our little town (except during July 4th and new years when they're dismissed as fireworks) still brings the police en masse!

Some of my Memphis police buddies like to say that most MPD won't respond to gunshots quickly. They want the perpetrator to have fled the scene before they arrive.
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