...if it's important for you to know...address all your question to the BATF's Technologies Branch...be very clear in your letter in stating what you would like to do...including all the details...and they will send you a written response regarding on how to proceed including any legal issues...dduck44 said:I just saw a short video clip on the Kriss pistol and the guy stated that if you put a foregrip on it-or in our case a P556-it's illegal; is this correct?
...i strongly urge you see the above nonsense for what it really is...dangerous misinformation that may put you is serious jeopardy...bullyforyou said:lastly, stop writing letters to the ATF people. the ATF is going to err on their side, 100% of the time. this is how we ended up with the impropperly labeled "gemtax". there were piles of people asking if it was legal to replace or modify the tube of a suppressor, and the ATF finally came back and said "NO". now, every person that needs a can reworked for any reason, has to go through another transfer and pay another tax...
i guarantee that if you write a letter to the ATF about vertical grips on pistols, they will resopnd with something to the effect of: "...we do not advise that you install a second grip on said pistol as doing so may be a violation of 26 USC S5845E..." all you've accomplished now is a binding letter on yourself that disallows this practice, and confirms what the general consensus is.
i would agree with you if we were talking about a new firearm design, or something on the fringes of NFA law; like a RR M16 converted via DIAS or the divorcing of said sear.ullie said:*snip*
... http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/ullie said:...if ever you have any questions or doubt regarding the legal status of your "intended" project...modification of a weapon...addition of a component...especially a weapon or instrument governed by the National Firearms Act...address that guestion...in writing...to the NFA Branch of the BATFE...in most cases you will be addressing it to their Technologies Section...you will recieve a written response addressing your question...
...a "weapons charge" ...especially one that involves the alteration of the weapon to a different configuration than origionally distributed by the origional manufacturer is a very serious matter...and even if eventually found innocent...may cost you hundreds of thousands of dollors in legal expenses...and if found quilty...for whatever reason...will pretty much change your life as you know it...including the fact that you are now a felon...and will most likely do some jail time...usually measured in years...
...IMO..this tread has evolved beyond the issue of adding a VFG to a pistol...bullyforyou said:listen, there is no argument about the fact that VFG's on pistols are treated as AOW's. i told everyone right off the bat that VFG's on pistols is a no-go, despite my opinion on what the law says..
...everyone has an opinion...i choose to err on the side of caution when posting advice...especially on serious matters...bullyforyou said:the problem comes in writing letters to the tech branch for every little question or concern, when the answers can be easily found otherwise...
...some good...some not so good...some downright dangerous and stupid...bullyforyou said:to the OP and everyone else, if you have NFA-related questions, go elsewhere for your information. check subguns and sturm (though their formats will make your eyes bleed, the folks there have VASTLY more NFA experience). check the class III forums on AR15.com. check over on uzitalk. silencertalk, while being full of some of the most abrasive folks on the internet, is a goldmine of NFA and NFA related info..
...really..."ignorant"...you would be "absolutely" amazed by the backgrounds of some of the members here...they just don't wear "their background" on there shirt sleeve...bullyforyou said:this board is one of the most NFA ignorant gun boards, and there is nothing wrong with that as it is a board dedicated to a particular weapon system. people come here looking for SIG info. it SHOULD be SIG specific...
...the above is not entirely correct...and they do offer you a certain degree of legal protection...including immunity from prosecution in some cases...and at the very least...indicate to those judging you that you have made every reasonable effort to stay within the boundries of the law...and who better to ask than the very agency that makes these determinations...bullyforyou said:tech branch letters are binding only on the person that they are issued to, and only for the weapon in question. tech branch letters are NOT legal protection, nor have they ever been, and they are frequently subject to change. hell, several people have received conflicting answers, on similar letters, submitted at nearly the same time. anyone involved in the NFA game for any amount of time would know this
...i find this amusing...i would think the idea is to not end up in court...bullyforyou said:feel free to take ullies advice "every time", but this thread wouldn't play the same on boards that are full of guys that have actually gone head-to-head with the ATF in court. you know what they'd tell you? they'd tell you that, despite anyone's interpretation of the law, a pistol with a VFG will be treated as an AOW, and a tech-branch letter on this issue is a waste of everyone's time, at best.
ullie said:... http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/ullie said:...if ever you have any questions or doubt regarding the legal status of your "intended" project...modification of a weapon...addition of a component...especially a weapon or instrument governed by the National Firearms Act...address that guestion...in writing...to the NFA Branch of the BATFE...in most cases you will be addressing it to their Technologies Section...you will recieve a written response addressing your question...
...a "weapons charge" ...especially one that involves the alteration of the weapon to a different configuration than origionally distributed by the origional manufacturer is a very serious matter...and even if eventually found innocent...may cost you hundreds of thousands of dollors in legal expenses...and if found quilty...for whatever reason...will pretty much change your life as you know it...including the fact that you are now a felon...and will most likely do some jail time...usually measured in years...