[scooby&thesig]

Just curious on everyones position on the health care bill.

 

[cheney]

I'll agree that something needs to be done, just given the fact that Americans take care of their own. This rush stuff through without taking a long time to think about it crap is not the way to do it however. I'm for a well thought out plan that's created by doctors as they are the ones who know the most about this matter. Kinda like asking Stay Puff to design a rifle. Not really what they do.

 

[jjax1976]

BS!!

I think the healthcare plan is just about as shitty as the man who is trying to push it down our throats! Just about...Sorry not even close to being as shitty as Obama but it still sux! :evil:

 

[ptco911]

Killling the country's economy is not the solution. The huge growth of government just makes the growth of corruption and ineptness that much more the norm. It isn't going to work.

 

[vinewood]

Taking our freedoms and killing the dollar and the economy is part of the "plan". How else will the planned "North American Union" ever be realized? Independent, self-reliant, prosperous, and armed free citizens don't NEED the gov'mnt to take care of them, and will not tolerate the continued loss of their freedoms. You have to "break" the will of the masses to slowly enslave them. When the number of people living off the taxes imposed on the rest of us reaches 50%, the power of the ruling elite cannot really be challenged at the ballot box. They have, in effect, bought off every election with a gov'mnt check. The more people are dependent on the nanny state, the more they will vote to increase it's power and control on them and the rest of us.

The following is a quote from an article in the LA TIMES from March 10, 2009:

""Rule 1: Never allow a crisis to go to waste," White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel told the New York Times right after the election. "They are opportunities to do big things." Over the weekend, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told members of the European Parliament, "Never waste a good crisis." Then President Obama explained in his Saturday radio and Internet address that there is "great opportunity in the midst of" the "great crisis" befalling America."

Our worst "crisis" of today are the greedy, power hungry, self-serving politicians and other people behind the scenes, that are running the show. Time to let our voices be heard from the town hall mettings to the ballot box as was done in the last elections. Vote the rascals out. And remember that just as many RepublicRats as there are DemocRats in office. Most of them need to be booted out and replaced with true statesmen rather than politicians. Remember, "poli" means "many" and "tics" are "blood sucking parasites", and we have plenty of them in office.

 

[windwalker]

Any one who votes/vote'd in this poll is part of the problem

The poll is skewed to get the disired result. We dont need a Govt Health care bill. We need to address the run away Ambulance chaseing dirtbag lawyers, the BS coverage mandates. How come the have "Cancer Insurance" , but don't have Aids insurance? Gays are a special class? How mush does your Doctor pay a year for liability insurance, $100,000, $200,00? Pregancy mandates, the have to keep the woman after delivery way longer then nessacery in a lot times. Did women get kicked out too soon and have problems before clinton? If so, Where were the ambulace chasers? Viagra, what, $!00 a month so you can XXX, that should be like cancer insurance. Now pre-exsisting conditions is cute, Your young, healthy, "I don't need no stinking insurance, I'll spend it on booze"! Then you get older and the ticker goes, "whoops, gotta get insurance"! Sorry you have a heart condition, you pay more, "Thats not Fair, I'm entitled"
I could go on, but I think you get the drift. Government needs to provide what the Constitution says, Not Health care, not Arts endowments, not Crap and tax. Kick out all the crooks Dems and RHINO's. We need to let both parties know the work for us, if not they will be fired!!!!!

 

[scooby&thesig]

One of the many things that is obviously a "red flag", but people choose do ignore is: If it is so great, why doesn't congress etc get on it? If I remember correctly, they work for us so why do they get better insurance? It is a ruling class thing to do, kind of like the employees get better perks then the company owners. They took out a page that was sneaked into the bill saying that congress etc had to get the same healthcare as us, THEY TOOK IT OUT! The system is flawed big time, and that proves it. Someone should make this into a law: If you are a elected official, and you get caught lying, exploiting, stealing, breaking the law, going against what you promised etc (I could keep going) then you get fired with no paycheck for life, as they do now, no perks what so ever, as they do now. It is all disgusting. I wish someone would put that up for a vote, for if anyone voted against it, game over for them.... maybe, since alot of Americans are becoming ummm dumbbbbb.

 

[gunrat]

I lived well below the poverty level until my mid twenties--actually, I was 27 when I finally made over the poverty level.
I NEVER wanted for health care, I was NEVER refused health care for lack of insurance, and I NEVER cost anyone else any money for my health care.
The health care rebuild is simply the gov't's "in" the meddle in our lives even more than they do now.

 

[restoring]

Happy to say that according to the e-mail list I recieve showing how my reps and senators voted, this is the vote tally on the healthcare bill...

DEMOCRATIC Rep. Travis Childers of Mississippi voted - NO

Sent him a thank you note, advising I'm conservative, but I like his votes on many things so far.

Also proud to say that Senator Wicker voted against the defense authorization bill because of the hate crimes bill that was attached to it.

IF we hound them, they may will listen.

 

[jalso]

The Federal government doesn't have the authority to regulate or restructure the health care industry. Period. End of story.

The Congress cannot simply pass any legislation they want, the power of the Federal Government is limited to only those enumerated powers specified in Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution. The 10th Amendment specifically states that any powers not specifically delegated to the Federal Government by the constitution are reserved to the States, or to the people. Any legislation that doesn't specifically have a constitutional mandate is unconstitutional, and therefore illegal.

There is no constitutional mandate for Congress to regulate the health care industry. Any attempt to do so is an illegal act. Many of us should examine the oaths we have taken to protect the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Just because Congress routinely violates it's constitutionally mandated limits of power doesn't mean we have to continually put up with it. It's time to draw a line in the sand. The Enumerated Powers Act is a proposed bill in the House that would require every piece of legislation to state specifically which provisions of the constitution give them the authority to pass such legislation. It has yet to pass.

Personally, I feel that any representative that votes for a piece of legislation that doesn't have a constitutional mandate should be tried for crimes against the American people. The penalty should be no less than 20 years in Federal prison for each illegal vote.

 

[gunrat]

Constitution? What is this "Constitution" you speak of?.......
These pricks couldn't give a crap about the Constitution.
P-BO himself says that the Constitution is only a hindrance that stands in the way of ""getting things done".
Washington has become Rome--we are merely Proles. We have no idea what's good for us.
And they figure: Hell, what are THEY* going to do about it anyway.


* ignorant, racist, unsophisticated, religious, inbred, *******, illiterate, teabaggers

 

[jalso]

A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.

It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own.

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.