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Vote in the poll on that page!

The Q is Should a city like Chicago be allowed to ban handguns to fight crime?

RIght now, the responses are as follows:

18.9%
Yes. It's an appropriate response in a city that has one of the highest murder rates in the country.
34 votes

80%
No. A ban is clearly unconstitutional, and as the crime rate shows, it doesn't work.
144 votes

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Maybe. If the city then erects so many hurdles as to produce a virtual ban, what's the diffence?
1 vote

0.6%
I don't know.
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I can't seem to find the link to the Poll. "MessNBC" must have taken it down since it reflected pro-gun. The city of Chicago doesn't need any registration laws to see how many illegal guns there are - just have Mayor Daley go outside on the 4th of July and he'll hear how many illegal guns and bad guys there are shooting off rounds.

Tell me why in the picture Mayor Daley is holding a huge handgun when all of his criminals are using 38s and 9s?
 

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I wonder when people are going to finally realize that banning guns has no correlation with decreasing murder rates. Real life tests (UK and Australia) have shown the complete oppisite!
 

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1stGenerationAmerican said:
I can't seem to find the link to the Poll. "MessNBC" must have taken it down since it reflected pro-gun. The city of Chicago doesn't need any registration laws to see how many illegal guns there are - just have Mayor Daley go outside on the 4th of July and he'll hear how many illegal guns and bad guys there are shooting off rounds.

Tell me why in the picture Mayor Daley is holding a huge handgun when all of his criminals are using 38s and 9s?
The poll is here:

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_questio ... ight-crime
 

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Daley truly is a tool.

I could not link to this article by Chris Cox in the NRA AR this month, so here is a cut and paste of what Daley is up to now with the UN and World Court:



Chris CoxPOLITICAL REPORT
By Chris W. Cox
NRA-ILA Executive Director

Chicago's Mayor Looks To World Court

All eyes are on the Supreme Court this month as it wraps up its current term and issues its final rulings for the year. By the time you receive this magazine, the court may already have decided the landmark case of McDonald v. City of Chicago; if not, a decision is only days away. The ruling will be big news no matter what happens, and I know you await it as eagerly as I do.

Less excited about the upcoming decision is Richard Daley, the current mayor of Chicago, who seems to think there's a good chance his city will lose the case. If the Chicago handgun ban is ruled unconstitutional, city leaders will no doubt take a page from the playbook of the District of Columbia Council in creating new restrictions to defy the court and thwart follow-up lawsuits. (For more on the latest developments in D.C., see p. 62.) Their aim, through red tape and restrictive regulation, will be to preserve Chicago's handgun ban in spirit, if not in letter.

But Mayor Daley has already signaled that he will go much, much further. Already, he has promised to pursue a lawsuit of his own. As reported by Chicago radio station WLS, "Since the mayor's getting very little done in Springfield or Washington or in the courts trying to expand gun control, now he wants mayors in other countries like Mexico to drag American gun makers into the World Court in The Hague."

This absurd proposal sounds familiar—another spin on blaming the gun industry for the acts of criminals in bogus lawsuits, just as dozens of cities (Chicago included) attempted in the late 1990s. But municipal lawsuits against the gun industry seeking damages for the acts of third parties are now forbidden by a federal law—the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which was enacted in 2005 thanks to your grassroots support. So to pursue this ridiculous theory yet again, Daley must seek a venue outside our borders.

The effort to sue gun makers at the World Court was announced at Mayor Daley's "Global Cities Forum," a gathering of leaders from cities all over the world—cities in Brazil, Colombia, Mexico, Turkey, Kenya, Cameroon, Ecuador, the Russian Federation's Republic of Tatarstan, a Chilean commune and many more.

The forum featured the longtime anti-gun activist group, The Joyce Foundation, as a "Patron Sponsor." Speakers included the mayors of Amman, Jordan; Johannesburg, South Africa and Istanbul, Turkey. The forum billed itself as "a key international symposium ... to discuss innovative ideas about the future of our cities."

This meeting, held in Chicago of course, came against a backdrop of a sharp spike in Chicago's murder rate, sparking a debate among city politicians on how to respond to the outburst of violence.

According to the Chicago Sun Times, "Mayor Daley argues that more gun control will address the city's rising homicide rate. Others have proposed that the National Guard be called in." (Bear in mind, of course, that Chicago's near-total ban on handguns remains in place unless and until the Supreme Court issues an opinion striking it down.) But the mayor insisted that "this is all about guns, and that's why the crusade is on."

Guns were on his mind back at the forum. He persuaded more than a dozen mayors from foreign nations to approve a resolution calling for "redress against the gun industry through the courts of the world."

Daley described the resolution as "coming from international mayors. They're saying, ‘We're tired of your guns America ... we don't want those anymore because they kill and injure people.'"

Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter chimed in with a newfound admiration for the Constitution, saying, "I love the Second Amendment. But I have a First Amendment right not to be shot." His copy of the Constitution must be from a different country than mine.

The reporter from radio station WLS asked Daley what legal authority there is to sue the gun industry in the World Court, and reported his response as, "Well, that's why we have about 12 million lawyers. You never know until you try."

I can save the mayor the expense of international lawyers and more meetings with foreign mayors with a little simple advice: You've already tried gun control in every form, fashion and flavor. It has never worked, and never will. If the Supreme Court dumps your handgun ban, try something new—let your citizens exercise their God-given right of self-defense.
 

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The vote was 5-4, with every liberal against the constitutional right to bear arms.

Three of the the four left wing liberals that believe firearm possession is not a right, were appointed by Obama and Clinton. These same lefty three also quoted in their dissent, the Brady Anti-Gun Campaign for their statistics on why Americans should be immediately disarmed so our citizens could be truly free like those in Britain and Japan.....

Wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars the losing attorneys have made so far on this issue?
 

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It's a great day to be an American. But we can't let our guard down. There will be a lot of litigation to follow this decision given the myriad of restrictions (as opposed to bans) that are still out there on the books. Further, you have villains like Richard Daly who are just chomping at the bit to see how far they can push this short of an outright ban. Finally, you can bet that if an anti-second amendment majority ever takes control of the Supreme Court, they may very well try to overrule this decision; a constutional amendment is even a possibility, but a remote one.
 

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HELL YEAH! Thank God! Next up CC in WI and IL. I feel the opposite of what I did on the day after the Presidential election.
 

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We have George W. Bush to thank for this one! :wink:
 

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SkyPup said:
We have George W. Bush to thank for this one! :wink:
True, but also Ronald Reagan. He's the one that nominated Kennedy who is the swing vote on this Court. He doesn't always vote the way I would like, but he got it right on this one.
 

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Zeus said:
HELL YEAH! Thank God! Next up CC in WI and IL. I feel the opposite of what I did on the day after the Presidential election.
I hope so but for Illinois I think this is going to remain a rough row to hoe for the foreseeable future. The politicians from the City of Chicago and their master, Richard Daly, will fight that tooth and nail here. So far, they've always had the political clout to stop it.
 

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I here ya Mac but I feel the winds of change blowing like a hurricane, polls said 89% of Chicagoans voted pro gun rights. Dalys days are numbered. I am bathing in positivity today! Every dollar I ever gave to the NRA was validated today IMO. :D
 

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Zeus said:
I here ya Mac but I feel the winds of change blowing like a hurricane, polls said 89% of Chicagoans voted pro gun rights. Dalys days are numbered. I am bathing in positivity today! Every dollar I ever gave to the NRA was validated today IMO. :D
I hope you're right Zeus. I wasn't aware of the poll of Chicagoans. That's a downright interesting result. I wish they would vote that issue and put Daly out of office, but the Chicago machine just keeps reelecting him and his cohorts.
 

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Mac2411 said:
Zeus said:
I here ya Mac but I feel the winds of change blowing like a hurricane, polls said 89% of Chicagoans voted pro gun rights. Dalys days are numbered. I am bathing in positivity today! Every dollar I ever gave to the NRA was validated today IMO. :D
I hope you're right Zeus. I wasn't aware of the poll of Chicagoans. That's a downright interesting result. I wish they would vote that issue and put Daly out of office, but the Chicago machine just keeps reelecting him and his cohorts.
........yeah, that's what happens when dead people can vote. :twisted: :roll:
 

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I wonder when people are going to finally realize that banning guns has no correlation with decreasing murder rates. Real life tests (UK and Australia) have shown the complete oppisite!
The murder rate has climbed in Chicago with the handgun ban. If the media gives this a lot of coverage here in Chicago, it will be interesting to watch the crime rate decrease as the word gets out on the street.
 

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SkyPup said:
The vote was 5-4, with every liberal against the constitutional right to bear arms.

Three of the the four left wing liberals that believe firearm possession is not a right, were appointed by Obama and Clinton. These same lefty three also quoted in their dissent, the Brady Anti-Gun Campaign for their statistics on why Americans should be immediately disarmed so our citizens could be truly free like those in Britain and Japan.....

Wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars the losing attorneys have made so far on this issue?
And now with the death of her husband, I wouldn't be surprised if Ruth Bader Ginsburg decides to step down so that Obama can appoint another younger liberal. This would be in addition to the replacement for Justice John Paul Stevens. And if the speculation about Scalia and Kennedy are true, this would tip the scales to the liberal side - no pun intended.
 

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Zeus said:
HELL YEAH! Thank God! Next up CC in WI and IL. I feel the opposite of what I did on the day after the Presidential election.
+1 CC for WI and IL! But I'd like to see the non-resident laws changed for Michigan, Oregon, Colorado, South Carolina, and Maine (I would get Maine but they make CCW permit information available to the public).

Thank goodness that Iowa will change their restrictive RTC laws on 1-1-2011
 

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1stGenerationAmerican said:
... with the death of her husband, I wouldn't be surprised if Ruth Bader Ginsburg decides to step down so that Obama can appoint another younger liberal. This would be in addition to the replacement for Justice John Paul Stevens. This would tip the scales to the liberal side - no pun intended.
Uh, maybe I'm dense but how would replacing Ginsburg (liberal) with another liberal "tip the scales" in any way other than giving a liberal seat a "longer life?" The equation "conservative<=>liberal" would stay the same. No net loss or gain.
 
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