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Hi Guys!

I'm in the process of buying a Sig 556 Classic Swat from the internet.

I live in CA, and the owner of the store told me that before he ships to CA, he needs to "pin" the stock so it can't be folded, and in the process needs to drill holes on the stock to install the pin.

I've also been told from CalGunsNet Forum, that another way around this is to extend the length of the rifle through attaching a longer muzzle device to make the rifle longer than 30", when the stock is folded.

Are there any CA Sig 556 owners here?

I'd really appreciate it if you would help me with this.

Thanks a lot.
 

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Ah, that's right! Didn't notice "classic". Oh well, save yourself some money and get a non-classic. Preferably an early sub-11000 serial number.
 

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Re: CA Sig 556 - Pin the stock, or attaching longer muzzle 3

singleaction said:
I'm in the process of buying a Sig 556 Classic Swat from the internet.
I live in CA, and the owner of the store told me that before he ships to CA, he needs to "pin" the stock so it can't be folded, and in the process needs to drill holes on the stock to install the pin.
he shouldn't have to drill and pin the stock... mine has the release button pinned from the inside.. so it's locked but you can still change the stock or remove the "release-Button" pin by pulling out the hinge pin. and there are no holes or pins visible on the outside of the stock.

i wouldn't buy from that dealer if he says drilling holes into the stock is only way.

hope that helps.
 

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I live in CA and have owned a 556 for a while now. I simply had to put a bullet button (and 10rd mag) for it to be legal. For CA i would suggest simply getting the basic model, then customizing as you see fit. I doubt i would let someone drill holes in my new rifle!
 

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singleaction,

I would never buy a firearm off the internet. (the only firearm I would buy is a pearl handled derenger. the wife wants one) I only own three firearms but I function checked and inspected each one of them closely before spending any money (it pissed some of the shops off too). I would never let anyone ,besides me or me being there, do anywork on my firearms either. I'm no gun smith, but I can do anything once ullie tells me how. But that's just me.

That being said...

I don't know much about the laws of CA. But seeing they have to lock the folding stock makes no sense to me. I would go with a non-folding stock just so you dont have to get work done.
 

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Bolopwr said:
I live in CA and have owned a 556 for a while now. I simply had to put a bullet button (and 10rd mag) for it to be legal. For CA i would suggest simply getting the basic model, then customizing as you see fit. I doubt i would let someone drill holes in my new rifle!
so does your 556 have a folding stock?
 

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As reported near the end of the link posted above, it is very easy to disable the folding latch so that it results in a fixed stock without making any permanent modifications to the components (at least on the Swiss style folding stock that my wife has).

All you have to do is:

1. Open the stock and look for the plastic bulge on the inside of the stock that raises just behind the swivel latch button. This houses the latch components.

2. Running from top to bottom on this bulge is a small pin that holds the internal parts. Drive this pin out from top to bottom using a thin punch. Keep in mind that there is a spring in there that will be released, so keep a finger on the latch button to keep things in place.

3. Now remove the latch button and its associated innards. Note carefully how it is assembled. You will find a spring that is about an inch long uncompressed.

4. Obtain a wooden dowel that is 5/16 in diameter and cut off a 5/8 inch section. You can substitute a brass or plastic rod, but I think the wood has some advantages in being cheap and providing just a slight amount of give for the times when someone will be trying to push hard against the latch button to make it work.

5. Insert dowel inside the spring. It should fit snugly within the coils.

6. Reassemble the latch parts within the plastic bulge, and then tap the pin back into place. It should drive back in easily.

7. Test the latch assembly to see that it is disabled, but securely mounted in the stock.

8. Drive out the stock swivel pin with a long punch (long so you don't accidentally nick any of the receiver with the hammer) so you can close the stock. Be aware there is a washer within the swivel. Note carefully where it is located for reassembly.

9. Reassemble by aligning the latch side first, then the pivot side. Make sure the pivot washer is in place, then drive the pivot pin back into place.

10. Test the latch button one more time to make sure it won't compress sufficiently to release the stock.

You are now done and have a stock that is fixed in place, but may be returned to its original function and cosmetics by just reversing the above steps. Your modification is identical to that done by the distributor of CA compliant Sigg 556's.
 

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No one here is answering in the true spirit of pissing off Nancy Pelosi.

Here is what you do:

Add a supressor to your 556. Have it tack welded on, so it is defined as a permanent barrel extension.

Now you have a folding stock, and a can. That's cool, even by non CA standards, and it pisses off Nancy as a bonus.

C'mon, it's only money.

Art
 

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I can get it to work, but if enough pressure and leverage is put on the button and butt, it will disengage and fold.

I mean it works and all, but in the slim chance i get checked i dont want someone to force it open and be like "AHA!! FELON!!!"

What am i doing wrong?

Edit:
I had to re-cut another dowel, and then ensure everything was lined up properly. Looks good and works fine.

:p
 

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I am super confused. Why do you have to pin the folding stock? I bought mine off the internet and got a 10 rd magazine and bullet button to make it legal. Isn't folding stock "legal" on fixed magazine rifles?

Am I wrong?

Oh and just to offer the other side of it: I would almost never buy a higher end rifle in stores. In the bay area the Classic SWAT goes for 2,000+ while I picked mine up from www.slingpoint.com (the Patrol SWAT) for $1700. I've seen the Classic as low as $1600.
 

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everyone i've talked to(at gun shops) say that folding stocks are illegal in Ca.

i've recently been told that certain vertical grips are also illegal.
 

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I would suggest simply buying a 556 from a local gun shop here in CA. I bought mine from Ammo Brothers a couple years back and had them install a bullet button on it to be fully legal. If you have a bullet button, you can pretty much do whatever you want to the rifle (except 30rd mags of course)
 

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It is not that folding stocks are illegal per se, it is that CA requires the rifle's overall length to be 30 inches or greater in its shortest (folded) configuration.

The Calguns folks have put together an outstanding flow chart that will show you exactly the requirements for CA legal compliance. You can get it here:

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf


FWIW, I bought a Sig Classic SWAT for my wife from a local CA shop. There are only three modifications the distributor makes to the rifle prior to sending them out to the dealers:

1. Disabling the folding stock mechanism by installing a wood dowel (as I describe above).
2. Installation of a Bullet Button
3. Replacing the usually provided 30 round magazines with a 10 round magazine.

These changes make a Sig 556 fully legal for both sale and ownership in CA, and all can be easily reversed for out of state use. It's easy to install the modifications yourself, if you are bringing in a gun from out of state.

Metal Dog Tactical, among others, offers several varieties of "bullet buttons" and ten round magazines to achieve CA compliance.

http://www.metaldogtactical.com/index.html

No affiliation other than as a customer
 

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bharrisCA said:
I am super confused. Why do you have to pin the folding stock? I bought mine off the internet and got a 10 rd magazine and bullet button to make it legal. Isn't folding stock "legal" on fixed magazine rifles?

Am I wrong?

Oh and just to offer the other side of it: I would almost never buy a higher end rifle in stores. In the bay area the Classic SWAT goes for 2,000+ while I picked mine up from www.slingpoint.com (the Patrol SWAT) for $1700. I've seen the Classic as low as $1600.
If you have a classic folder, the total length drops below 30" when folded, which is a class of AW on its own right, different from the detachable mag w/ features class.

Another way to holder the folder in place is to use two plumbing/faucet gaskets where the spring would go. If nothing else, they are usually easier to find than having to cut your dowel to size.
 

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i think Penal Code § 12276.1 (a) is where it start getting vague and unclear.. at least for me.

"Penal Code § 12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding PC section 12276, assault weapon shall also
mean the following: Rifles
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine CCR 11 § 5469 (a) and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip CCR 11 § 5469 (d)
(B) A thumbhole stock. CCR 11 § 5469 (e)
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor. CCR 11 § 5469 (b)
(F) A forward pistol grip. CCR 11 § 5469 (c)
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the
capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less
than 30 inches."

does this mean you can only have ONE of the listed items on your rifle and be legal? for example.. adding a ForwardPistolGrip to a rifle with a PistolGrip makes it illegal? or adding a TelescopingStock to rifle with a PistolGrip?

is a ForwardPistolGrip the same as a VerticalGrip? they basically function the same.

other than the Grenade/FlareLauncher... how do any of the listed items make a rifle any more dangerous?

California's damned LawMakers and their FearBasedLaws!
 
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