I have been reading alot about the free peoples rifle "Massada" and really want to get one when they come out in early 2010. What do you guys think? I'm thinking this may be one of the only rifles within my price range to displace my 556 from the safe. Ullie?
Bushmaster ACR?
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The Remington Headquarters is a few miles from my house. I play golf with several of the management there. I asked one of them a couple weekends ago when we were playing golf about the ACR and he said it is supposed to be out after the first of the year. They are making parts now according to him.
If it is everything that they say it is supposed to be and around the $1500 MSRP they suggested it would be hard to pass up. American made, light weight and hopefully free from so many defects that seem to plague the 556. I imagine it will be around $3000 when it first comes out though, unless Rem and Bushmaster decide to crank them out as fast as possible to get one into the hands of every American firearms owner. Can't wait.
I took a look at a SCAR this week and honestly $3000 for that weapon is highway robbery. It does not have the ergonomic feel to it that the sig does and next to a 556 Patrol there is no weight advantage and I would take the sig hands down. Thought it would change my mind seeing one, but I was surprised by how it changed my opinion of the sig. I'll buy a $3000 rifle with crappy stock play, a cheap wobbly safety, and a standard AR grip when hell freezes over.
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Prices on the SCAR have been seen around the 2500 level recently. Still highway robbery IMHO, but 2000 for the SCAR would be reasonable
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I agree with Ullie - the FN SCAR 16S is the number one choice (other than the SIG 556) out right now. It is expensive, but it is worth every penny. I bought one and loved it so much I ended up buying a second one. :shock: You get a lot for the money, and it comes with most of the stuff you're going to buy to upgrade any AR anyway - full length optics rail, excellent BUIS, folding & adjustable stock, adjustable cheek weld, five :!: sling attachment points, and a quad rail system. If you compare it to a SIG 556 SWAT model, or the new 556 DMR, they are fairly close in price. The build quality is second to none. The balance of the gun is better than any production gun I have ever held. The barrel life is projected at 30,000 rounds. It is extremely accurate (reportedly sub-MOA at 500 yards, although I have never shot mine beyond 200 yards - gun range limit), made by one of the best small arms manufacturers, if not the best (these are being built in Belgium at present). It is very reliable, easy to maintain, and easy to field strip. It isn't perfect - but no gun is. The trigger is service-grade, parts availability is still somewhat limited, they're still hard to find, and yes, they're pricey. But if it ever gets to the point where you have to pick your "you bet your life" assault rifle, and have to carry it on your back, it will be the one (OK, two) I grab first. Others may come along that may be challengers, but for what is out there right now, all things considered, it is number one, in my view. It won the SOCOM JORD competition for a number of reasons; it is out there in Southwest Asia with our elite soldiers right now and along with its 7.62 mm big brother, it is not only very well received by those who wage battle in the escalating war, it is actively sought after by our best front lines and behind enemy lines warfighters. That fact alone is a strong enough endorsement for me....
I agree with Ullie - the FN SCAR 16S is the number one choice (other than the SIG 556) out right now. It is expensive, but it is worth every penny. I bought one and loved it so much I ended up buying a second one. :shock: You get a lot for the money, and it comes with most of the stuff you're going to buy to upgrade any AR anyway - full length optics rail, excellent BUIS, folding & adjustable stock, adjustable cheek weld, five :!: sling attachment points, and a quad rail system. If you compare it to a SIG 556 SWAT model, or the new 556 DMR, they are fairly close in price. The build quality is second to none. The balance of the gun is better than any production gun I have ever held. The barrel life is projected at 30,000 rounds. It is extremely accurate (reportedly sub-MOA at 500 yards, although I have never shot mine beyond 200 yards - gun range limit), made by one of the best small arms manufacturers, if not the best (these are being built in Belgium at present). It is very reliable, easy to maintain, and easy to field strip. It isn't perfect - but no gun is. The trigger is service-grade, parts availability is still somewhat limited, they're still hard to find, and yes, they're pricey. But if it ever gets to the point where you have to pick your "you bet your life" assault rifle, and have to carry it on your back, it will be the one (OK, two) I grab first. Others may come along that may be challengers, but for what is out there right now, all things considered, it is number one, in my view. It won the SOCOM JORD competition for a number of reasons; it is out there in Southwest Asia with our elite soldiers right now and along with its 7.62 mm big brother, it is not only very well received by those who wage battle in the escalating war, it is actively sought after by our best front lines and behind enemy lines warfighters. That fact alone is a strong enough endorsement for me....
That is a pretty good endorsement and I believe its gas system seems to be very robust. I just have a gripe about the safety feeling like I might break it and the lock up on the stock is a little wobbly. For $2200 I'll sell my sig and buy one tomorrow, but I can only find them in stock for $3200 and that is a little ridiculous. Where did you get yours and how much was it? Do you think they will scale up production for civies? I want one now. God I'm fickle
You have to shop around, for sure. Dealers are looking to make a killing on SCARs since they have to buy a whole package of FNH USA's other products in order to qualify to get one SCAR.
I bought mine from a local dealer I do a lot of business with, who gave me a discount because I bought my FN SLP Mark 1 at the same time (pay$ to negotiate on these - whole lot of markup and OTD pricing wiggle room). I'd tell you the price, but he'd "keel" me if I do...and I never bite one of the hands that feeds me guns and ammo.... For a range, I have seen them as high as $4600 and as low as ~$3250, at "sticker" price....
Gunbroker is a good source for going market rate, but caveat emptor - some guys were paying $9000 (!!) for these when they first came out.
I find myself repeatedly picking it up and handling it, I just can't help it. 8)
I bought mine from a local dealer I do a lot of business with, who gave me a discount because I bought my FN SLP Mark 1 at the same time (pay$ to negotiate on these - whole lot of markup and OTD pricing wiggle room). I'd tell you the price, but he'd "keel" me if I do...and I never bite one of the hands that feeds me guns and ammo.... For a range, I have seen them as high as $4600 and as low as ~$3250, at "sticker" price....
Gunbroker is a good source for going market rate, but caveat emptor - some guys were paying $9000 (!!) for these when they first came out.
I find myself repeatedly picking it up and handling it, I just can't help it. 8)
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Many thanks - if the S ever HTF I think I could probably hold down the whole block for awhile...! The crews working at the gun shops I go to sometimes tell me they're coming to my house if anything starts coming after us sideways....
I plan on taking some pictures and posting them if I can manage to find the time.
I always try and pick out guns that have a real solid reputation, strong performance history, and are battle tested in military conflicts or well proven in tactical use; doing the research on what is worth owning is part of the fun, but shooting them is what it is all about.
I plan on taking some pictures and posting them if I can manage to find the time.
I always try and pick out guns that have a real solid reputation, strong performance history, and are battle tested in military conflicts or well proven in tactical use; doing the research on what is worth owning is part of the fun, but shooting them is what it is all about.
So my baseplate on my pistol grip just broke off and my stock fell off. Looks like I'll be saving my money for either the ACR or the SCAR a lot faster now. Just a little disturbed by the quality of these plastic parts on this thing. 
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4 days until the ACR website is released.
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Look quickly at the bolt carrier in the flash video. It's labeled "multi-cal". they planned ahead, unlike sig!
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