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Go to whitehouse.gov. I lost the exact link when my browser died, but in his listed agenda is a permanent assault rifle ban and a trace list for the cops. This is the same crap he said in his campaign website.

FOR ONCE, a politician keeps his word, but whey did it have to be over this???

HAIL COMRADES, welcome to the new revolution of socialist states. :evil:
 

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...here you go...copy / paste from the "president's" website...

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.


... http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/
 

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Just another reason why the 2010 midterm elections are so important. I know candidates for Senate and the House (especially the Senate) are going to be gearing up fundraising soon. Be sure to find a candidate that lines up with your views, especially gun control (since you are on this forum), and there may not be enough votes to push a ban through.

Hopefully the blue dog democrats dont cave to the pressure.
 

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His initial effort will most likely be within the first 100 days - the "honeymoon" period when he will still have most of his massive support and before people realize that he's just as bad as the buffoon leaving the whitehouse.

then there's also this...

http://www.sigarms556.com/viewtopic.php ... highlight=

If he doesn't do it, his AG can and likely will try.

What we need to do is overwhelm our Representatives with opposition to anything even remotely anti 2nd amendment, join and contribute to pro-gun groups, and prepare a united front with an agreed upon response that everyone sticks to.

Do Not Sit on your butt and let this happen. Freedom isn't free folks - sometimes you have to fight to defend your rights and freedoms. Talk is just that - talk. It takes time, effort, money, and determination from EVERY one of us. The other option is to tell your grandkids about how you were too lazy or too much of a sissy to defend this right, then try to describe what it was like to be a FREE CITIZEN that owned a real firearm.
 

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If he doesn't do it, his AG can and likely will try.
I'm actually a obama supporter (but against gun "control"...yea i have issue i know), but even I think that AG is a horrible choice. On top of all this he was also the top lawyers for the RIAA/MPAA.

He's the lawyer that had the idea to sue the computer illiterate single mom whose teenager *may have* downloaded MP3's of the net (and the RIAA won million dollar judgement..i think it was over turned later....can't remember theres been a lot of these law suits). His stance on Net neutrality is questionable too. He's a slick and sneaky SOB, and he (the AG, and i guess Obama by picking him) is gonna find away to screw the 2nd amendment in a way that no one expects...thats the scary part.
 

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The wrongheaded and illogical reasoning behind this idea aside, it's no big surprise given what was said in the campaign. The legislation is already written so this shouldn't take long to get to the floor. They'll try it well before the midterm elections so that isn't likely to be a very big factor. I wouldn't doubt that it's slipped into some Omnibus bill concerning the "economic programs" that are being hyped in the press right now. The irony is that this new AWB will likely will put more than a few Americans out of work if it's passed.
 

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Just another reason why the 2010 midterm elections are so important. I know candidates for Senate and the House (especially the Senate) are going to be gearing up fundraising soon. Be sure to find a candidate that lines up with your views, especially gun control (since you are on this forum), and there may not be enough votes to push a ban through.

Hopefully the blue dog democrats dont cave to the pressure.
Exactly. We're like the villagers in a Frankenstein movie where the government is the monster. Not only are we responsible (metaphorically) for showing up with torches when it's out of hand, but we're also the people pulling the switch in the voting booth and yelling, "IT'S ALIVE!"
 

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Let's be realistic about the gun problem. I'm going to be the 800 lb gorilla in the room. Please forgive me if I offend anyone by saying this,it is not out of malice, but the way I see things.

Since Britain outlawed private ownership of guns, violent crime is up 300%-500% (depending on the area). According to their own statistics the majority of these crimes are committed by immigrants, or 1st generation citizens whose parents were immigrants. The problem in this country is not a gun problem, it is a social problem, and in some instances (here it comes) it is a racial problem. So what if you outlaw most weapons? The fact is that they are going to go house to house in the suburbs and rural areas to confiscate guns. Where crime is the least prevalent.

I highly doubt that they are going to go house to house in South Central Los Angeles, or Compton, or downtown Detroit, or Liberty City, or Oakland.They are not going to go house to house taking guns in neighborhoods where criminality is the highest, where the police are already afraid to go, and where the guns will be hidden using years of experience hiding drugs and other contraband.

Who is going to turn their guns in?
The type of Law abiding, hard working, tax paying citizens that actually go out and vote and go to church on Sunday. After all, we ARE Law abiding citizens. But, the reason that they want to confiscate guns is not really because of crime.

Who is not going to turn their guns in?
The same criminals who commit the violent crimes and probably stole them or traded them for drugs in the first place.

So how is this going to reduce violent crimes?
It isn't. The people who are the problem still have the guns.

So what is going to happen?
Violent crime against innocent Americans is going to skyrocket. More of our Fathers, Sons, Brothers, and Friends are going to be robbed and murdered. More of our Mothers, Wives, Sisters, and Daughters are going to be raped and murdered.

So we must get involved and let our representatives know that we will not stand for it, right?
Right. We are going to lobby, and petition, and e-mail, and fax, and call, and send letters, and encourage others to do the same. And then guess what? The permanent ban is going to happen anyway.

Lets look at the Bailout. 90% of Americans were against it. Congressmen and Senators offices received phone calls (a thousand to one against the bill, according to some Congressmens offices) pleading and threatening with votes to prevent the bailout from happening. And what happened?

Our Government is completely disconnected from the people it represents. They no longer consider themselves servants of "We the People", they consider themselves the rulers of "We the People"

One cannot rise to the higher levels of politics without being corrupt, or "playing ball" with those that are. That whole good 'ol boy system has been too corrupt for too long. Americans are so caught up in being Republicans or Democrats that we are blinded to the fact that neither party truly represents anyones best interest. Did you even hear immigration mentioned even once in the Presidential debates? At the very top of the ladder the Democrats and Republicans are one big happy family, making decisions for an entire nation of people with only their best interests on their agenda, not ours.

it took me a long time to believe what I realize is actually happening now......I won't start a long debate about it, but listening to TV and Radio, and reading mainstream news, I am hearing, seeing, or reading the phrase "New World Order" about twenty to fifty times daily. There are events in motion that most people are absolutely oblivious to. For years, I used to ridicule people who tried to warn me about what is happening. But after hearing multiple credible people from Ron Paul and other decent Representatives, to former members of Reagan and Nixon administration cabinets, to former high ranking CIA and FBI officials (some of whom have died mysteriously in the last few years) people with a conscience in the government are leaving and trying to let people know..........SOMETHING ISN"T RIGHT. SOMETHING IS GOING ON AND PEOPLE NEED TO GET READY.

I won't get into it here out of respect for the fact that the webmaster may not want these things discussed here, and I love this site. But I will conclude by saying this. Katrina gun confiscation was a test to see how people would react. They did not go through the poorest neighborhoods and disarm folks. they went through middle class and affluent areas and brutally seized the guns.

Historically, every time that the citizens of a nation have been disarmed, it is usually followed by the citizens being persecuted, abused, or slaughtered.

They know that they are not disarming the criminals. They know that they are only disarming the hard working, tax paying, patriotic people who would defend the constitution. They are disarming "We the People".
The criminals don't care about the constitution, or whether America remains a sovereign nation with our own separate economy and currency. The criminals will go on living outside whatever law there is just like they always have.

This is not about crime folks. This is about government control. The knid of control that eventually brings abuse, tyranny, misery, and chaos.

All of your firearms purchases have been tracked unless you bought directly from a private individual. Forget the Tiahrt Amendment. They are not disposing of the files after 24 hours like they are supposed to. I have heard this first hand from a administrative position LEO involved with keeping records for the State. If you have purchased Ammunition online with a credit card, there is a record.

Do NOT even consider surrendering your guns. Defend the Constitution and honor the MILLIONS of men who have given their lives to protect and preserve it. We have already lost so many rights and liberties, unless you wan't to lose them all. DO NOT CONSIDER SURRENDERING YOUR FIREARMS!

(edited for spelling and grammar (but still full of mistakes) :lol:
 

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Guys, go here and use these web site to send a quick, but nice, note to your reps. It is really easy and you don't need to be an NRA member to use the site.

http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

Here is what I sent to all of my reps:

Senator,

I noticed that the new administration has posted its support of a permanent assault weapons ban on the white house web site.

Anybody who explores the gun control/ crime issue in any depth quickly comes to understand that these "assault weapons" are semi-autos that are very rarely used in criminal activity.

There are thousands of American manufacturing firms that make these firearms and related parts. These companies employ hundreds of thousands of people who should not be made to go looking for work in this climate just to pass a symbolic but fruitless ban.

The 2nd amendment was not written to preserve one's right to hunt. It was written to allow for the individual to be armed to protect one's freedom.

Please do not support any ban on high capacity firearms. It is not in the best interests of your constituency or the country.

Thank you for your service.


Mr. President,

Thank you for having the guts to break new ground. I know that it isn't easy and that you face challenges that are unparalleled in modern times. It is precisely because of those challenges that I suspect the issue I wish to address may be over-looked or under-explored by the people who wish to make it law.

I noticed that the new administration has posted its support of a permanent assault weapons ban on the white house web site.

Anybody who explores the gun control/ crime issue in any depth quickly comes to understand that these "assault weapons" are semi-autos that are very rarely used in criminal activity.

There are thousands of American manufacturing firms that make these firearms and related parts. These companies employ hundreds of thousands of people who should not be made to go looking for work in this climate just to pass a symbolic but fruitless ban.

The 2nd amendment was not written to preserve one's right to hunt. It was written to allow for the individual to be armed to protect one's freedom.

Please do not support any ban on high capacity firearms. It is not in the best interests of your constituency or the country.

Thank you for your service.
 

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Trey, not that I don't have the same feelings, but what do we law abiding people with families that depend on us do when we get a nice letter from the government informing us that we are to take weapon a, b, and c to the local law enforcement agency?
 

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I agree with Wabbit, when the time comes, and I have the choice between doing what they want or losing my Government retirement, health insurance, and life insurance and leaving my family with nothing because I'm willingly commiting a felony what am I to do? Before that happens I'll sell them all and be done with it.
It's ok for you young guys to say I'll fight, resist, whatever, because you yet have much to lose, but being realistic what do you do?

If you sell them privately, cash money to someone what can they do to you then? Nothing, it is still your right to privately sell the items.
 

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long before they start coming to our doors asking for our guns they will have initiated their little "gun license" thing which means if you tell them that then you're just as guilt of some sort of crime.
 

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If you sell them privately, cash money to someone what can they do to you then? Nothing, it is still your right to privately sell the items.
Actually, the legislation as currently written would ban the sale or transfer of any "assault weapon" or "high capacity" magazines. Thus, you could not "privately" or "publicly" sell or even give away the banned items and remain in compliance with the law.

The question remains on whether they will make possession a violation as well, which would require confiscation/turn in. I tend to doubt it. The forces behind this legislation do these things incrementally so as to make it appear more "reasonable" to the general public. Once a new base line of "reasonableness" is established and after the public's short memory takes effect, then they will move the goal post again.
 

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yeah, i highly doubt that a confinscation will arise any time soon. I just hope and pray that if it does introduce itself to Congress that our politicians will be intelligent enough to know that any attempt to confinscate will result in bloodshed and social unrest.

please note, i'm not planning on popping the ATF if they come looking for my guns, but i'd be willing to bet that a good number of people will
 

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They will not confiscate your weapons. 'IF' a ban ever does go into effect, it will be a purchasing ban. An prior owned weapons will more than likely be exempt. There would be to much of an uproar from private citizens with the goverment 'telling' people they cannot 'own' something they already own.

The lawyers would have a field day with that.
 

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They will not confiscate your weapons. 'IF' a ban ever does go into effect, it will be a purchasing ban. An prior owned weapons will more than likely be exempt. There would be to much of an uproar from private citizens with the goverment 'telling' people they cannot 'own' something they already own.

The lawyers would have a field day with that.
I have HOPE that that is true. But I wonder how much uproar came from Australians when their weapons were confiscated and destroyed? And does it matter? The citizens of the US were massively against the financial bailout, but our betters in D.C. knew better than we serfs...

http://www.lexrex.com/articles/australia.htm
 
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